Alternating Ages of Greed and Hate: A Little Bit of Buddhist Psychology

In Buddhist psychology we talk of delusion having a double valency. It either turns to greed or to hate. Greed is attractive and acquisitive. Hate is repulsive and rejecting.

The core of delusion is conceit or pride. This can be individual or group. A whole nation or even a whole planet can suffer delusion. According to Buddhism, delusion is the normal. Non-delusion is exceptional. Those who are not deluded are rare and carry a torch for enlightenment, but they do not necessarily know that they do so. It is simply a natural process.

The notion of natural process is important. We are not here talking about conscious ideas. People are not as much in control as they think. We tend to think that if we understand something we can be in control of it and change whatever we like. This is itself a delusion - a conceit.

A person or group may be more or less in the grip of delusion and their thought and actions will then reflect that state. Thoughts and ideas are, mostly, a manifestation of the underlying condition. A person’s actions and words may very well actually be contributing to a course that is different from or even the opposite of what they consciously believe they are engaged in.

Politics

There seems to have been a marked change in the tone of political debate in immediately recent years. In the US mid-term elections, for instance, the politics of hate has over-ruled the politics of greed.

What is interesting here is not so much the result, but the manner. Right now President Trump is enjoying a lot of good news about the US economy. This may be solid and valid or it may be ephemeral, but that does not matter in terms of my argument. The fact is that he could have based his election campaign upon greed. He could have made his main pitch the idea that the economy has never been so good. In elections more that ten years ago a president in his position would almost undoubtedly have done so. President Clinton had a poster saying “It’s the economy, stupid!” to constantly remind himself that the thing that wins elections is good economic news if you are in power or bad economic news if you are the opposition. It was always like this. Not any more.

Trump has campaigned substantially on threats to America and fear and hatred of immigrants, ISIS, whatever. He instinctively recognised that this is the new order of things. I do not think this is something that Trump has manufactured; rather, he and his rhetoric is a manifestation of it.

The same thing is happening elsewhere. In the Brexit debate - and, remember, the Brexit referendum happened before Trump came to office - the hate agenda over-ruled the greed one in the same way. When I see debates between people who are pro-Brexit and pro-Remain what is striking is that Remain supporters tend to bring forth rational arguments about how people are better off in the European Union than they will be outside it and these arguments get nowhere. The Brexit supporters, by and large, do not really care that Brexit will make everyone worse off. They are not motivated by having more, they are motivated by dislike and distrust of the people they are against - in this case other Europeans. Even though Brexit will cost the UK a lot they relish the fact that it will also be costly for the EU.

In Europe itself similar things are happening. populism, as it is called, and nationalism, are on the rise. These are essentially philosophies of hate over greed. The driving force is suspicion and dislike of the other, the outsider. They are not so much about profit, more about resentment. In that mode, cost does not matter much, what matters is to defeat the other.

A Large Scale Shift

This is new. We have had roughly half a century since World War II in which politics has been ruled by greed. It has all been about progress, rising living standards, profit, growth, and getting more. This has been closely related to globalism and capitalism. There has been a sense that the future will always yield more than the present and so people have been motivated to try to gain their share of the bounty. This period seems to be at an end.

Surveys show for the first time that increasing numbers of people believe that their children and grandchildren will not have as good circumstances as exist today. Faith in growth and progress is waning. In the USA, which is often the leading edge of human trends, longevity is actually falling. Longevity is one of the clearest indicators of the wellbeing of a population. Although economic data can be manipulated to look like good news, when it comes to the fundamentals, the evidence for things getting ever better is ceasing to flow.

This change is working through into the attitudes and ethos of social discourse and debate. We are entering a period of conflict and animosity. This general atmosphere has the capacity to poison the ground of social wellbeing. It produces cohesion, but only as cohesion-against. People unite against the outside enemy and they generate enemies in order to do so.

This also means that the individualism that characterises periods of greed is also in retreat. Intolerance of dissent is rising. Cohesion based on antagonism leads to polarisation and polarisation produces intolerance of anything deemed to be disloyalty.

In Buddhist theory, periods of greed tend to last longer than periods of hate, but periods of hate are sharper and more energetic. There can be massive breakdown over a short period of time. After the fire has burnt itself out, new growth begins from the ashes. It seems, however, that we are currently at the beginning of the fire and it is very difficult to tell where it will spread or with what specific effects.

Why Is This Happening?

Apart from the endlessly cycling alternations of samsara, my own hunch is that the main precipitating factor for the current change is the ecological crisis. Climate change is forcing a reluctant humanity to limit its ambition. We are still a long way from achieving a satisfactory way of living within the limitations that Nature imposes and we face a very difficult transition. This is putting the brakes on economic expansion which simply cannot go on and on in the old way. These limits work through the system.

To repeat, this is not primarily a matter of ideas. It is not just that people are more conscious of the ecological problem. Many of the prime movers in the present situation are not particularly aware of it, but they nonetheless do have to react somehow to real changes in the real world.

Putting “America First” rather than trying to position the US as the overseer of international affairs, as was done by previous presidents, is a reflection of this. If growth is not happening, people turn to fighting over shares of what there is and then to fighting simply for survival. They do not do this because they have a sophisticated appreciation and analysis of the forces at work in the world. They simply react to what impinges.

When we look at the history of the world we see that periods of disruption tend to follow ecological crises. We might, for instance, see parallels between the present situation in which there are millions of refugees and efforts to keep them out and the advent of the “Sea People” that seems to have ended the high civilisation of the Bronze Age. Or we might reflect upon what we know about the end of Mayan civilisation which seems to have come about through wars occasioned by ecological degradation once the forests had been cleared and the water supplies started to be inadequate. This does not enable us to plot the detail of what may happen, but it does offer warning of how complete the catastrophe can become. Hopefully it will not go so far this time, but there is no way of telling.

Surviving the Dark Age

Periodically the world goes through dark ages. During such times terrible things can happen and chaos can spread far and wide. In such times there can, nonetheless, be islands of sanity. The flame of enlightenment is not necessarily entirely extinguished.

It is at such times that spirituality also undergoes a trial by fire and from such trial new strength and vigour can rise. We can think of the monasteries that preserved learning and compassionate values through the period of the decline of the Roman Empire when Europe was overrun by barbarian tribes migrating away for ecological pressure in central Asia. We can also think of how the Kamakura renaissance of Buddhism in Japan came out of a time of civil war, famine and plague.

Periods when the spirit of the times is ruled by greed are relatively more comfortable than eras of hate. They are, however corrosive of true spirit. We have, for instance, seen, in recent decades, spiritual movements corrupted into saleable commodities where there is little to choose between celebrity personalities and so-called gurus and one suspects that it is all ruled by money. Genuine spirituality does not come into prominence in such times.

It is possible that we are edging into a dark time. If so, the challenge to and premium upon genuine spirituality, liberation and enlightenment will become greater. In the time of fire the Buddha’s message of inner cool becomes ever more relevant. The need for a sangha that stands apart from and even against the current of the world becomes greater and greater. Those who maintain true values become islands and sanctuaries. The last words of Buddha were “Make the Dharma your island, make the Dharma your lamp”.

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Thankyou for this calm appraisal of the large-scale turn now beginning, it seems, to gain traction as climate breakdown shifts to a present, rather than speculative reality. I'm grateful for the quiet 'pan-back' this offers.

I often think of something you once said to me - I suppose I mean something you once said when I happened to be in the room: that the spiritual path is really a matter of learning to become smaller.

That seems to me to be the only way to turn to meet this unwilled downward turn with an open heart.

I find the reminder that this is not simply 'a matter of ideas' especially arresting. "Even in the age of the internet, our entire technological civilisation depends for its existence on a 6" layer of topsoil."

I'm inspired by those motivated to call out our governments on their collective denial aorund what is unfolding, and wish to support those efforts however I can. At the same time, I find myself deeply sceptical that human societies will affect or even subtly modulate current alterations in Earth's climate by a willed collective intervention.

That may well sound like a recipe for despair, but I'm not sure. Perhaps despair of that sort really amounts to a nasty dose of self-importance. A problem of perception that we may get help with, in the years ahead.

Namo Amida Bu

I cannot see any way we can avoid global social collapse driven by what is already ecological collapse. While denial is the social currency and likely will remain so until the fires fully overwhelm us the suffering of all beings will also grow exponentially.
Hope and optimism are not useful and generate further avidya. I do write this with a sense of desperation and my only 'hope' is that a social revolution of kindness and compassion may also grow with the speed of wild fires; come what may.

Thanks for this Dharmavidya. It's a very nice analysis. I wonder if we are half and half greed and hate at the moment, as close as the brexit vote was (and polling still is, on that issue) and the American elections?

Yes, you may well be right, but i think there is a direction that things are moving. i do hope I'm wrong. Namo Amida Bu.

I write to the correspondents in this discussion David, Matt and Kaspa. For such a vital discussion I am again rather gobsmacked that there are so few correspondents.
The political situation in Western countries is as you say Kaspa; still rather balanced between a materialist liberalism and a destructive energy thst in many ways approaches fascism. Certainly corporate governance.
But the political situation is no beacon by which to measure our near future. It is a symptom of the great crisis.
I feel a need to briefly state what I know each of you already knows. Science has predicted all the dire ecological outcomes that have come to pass. What science got wrong is the rapidity of the unfolding crisis.
I remember your shock Kaspa when we were alerted to the extrene crashing of the flying insect population. The vertebrate population..excluding humans has crashed sixty percent...or is it seventy percent? The Arctic rapidly approaches ice free summers. Antarctic ice melt has increased I think it is threefold the last decade...I suspect a larger multiple but it is difficult for me to keep track. The oceans are heavily acidified. The atmosphere contains 410 plus parts per million co2. Science has measured that some 3 million years the co2 levels peaked at 375ppm of co2 and the oceans were 25 metres deeper and the temerature several degrees warmer.
But the ipcc resolutely only reports on co2 increases. Methane and increasing levels of water vapour are also powerful greenhouse gases amonst some other 60 plus turning points we have already triggered. The temperature increasing rapidly.
Our political situation diabolically is steadfastly anti ecology...whether liberal or fascist and has always been. Even the so liberal eeu has presided over the ecological collapse. Now corporate governance has staged a coup maintaining growth over ecology...AT THIS TIME.
I provocatively suggest many people fear winning the identity of alarmist. If only...if only ..that was possible.
At what point are our present worldly agendas dropped? The Buddhist world so well placed to prepare for social collapse; to work steadfastly to minimise suffering.
Is the evidence of science not powerful enough yet to begin the sort of networking that may insigate preparation for collapse?

I guess that people are not that rational. Simply knowing the facts is not necessarily going to shift people that much. Thus, the political situation does matter because it is presumably in that arena that the most important changes need to come about, but how do you persuade people that the way that things have been going for many decades has all got to change?

All I can do David is reach out to people, very much including yourself. I lack depth in history, geography, global potitics and especially psychology and Buddhism. What I bring to the table is a lifelong distrust of elite government, of nationalism.
What I try to project is that this is beyond politics;as we know it at least. Emissions still accelerate and there is a ten year latency until maximum ecological impact.
It does seem an impossible dilemma. However futile our efforts may be; any outcome is preferable to finding the dark horror only through actual collapse.
We have no habitat to sustain life and collapse seems inevitable in likely a short time frame.
My efforts are at least to start a conversation....rather than stop one. I believe David as a species we have been conditioned to trust the process of government to sort all threats. Subverting this is a huge necessity. From there we may be able to face what comes. It may be too dark to do so. I just cannot see any other path.
Something gnaws away in vision that it deeply matters to have acceptance, to resist hindrances and not simply fall into whst comes.

Yes, i understand.

I'm grateful for these exchanges, thanks all.

Rob, as you proceed from your expression of bemusement over not finding more takers, I feel you answer that puzzle very well. The picture you paint - or rather, the well-documented information you summarise - is indeed crushing.

I often feel a curious embarrassment about even bringing all this up. The image feels apt.

A phrase that's recently been coined by an academic in this field called Jem Bendell: 'deep adaptation'. To replace, I suppose, 'sustainability' or 'resilience'. I find it helpful, and an arrow that points straight to prayer, the Dharma:

"The Buddhist world so well placed to prepare for social collapse; to work steadfastly to minimise suffering." 

This Saturday in UK an initernational non-violent civil disobedience movement is getting underway: Extinction Rebellion. They're worth a look, I think. One of their champions, the journalist George Monbiot, said something I thought both very good, and pertinent, during a recent talk here at Falmouth ('Take Back Control', its online):

'No amount of information to the contrary will ever dislodge a bad story, when it has us in its grip. The only thing with the power to free us from a bad story, is a better story.' He was speaking of Neoliberalism and the power of forming altruistic community.

Thanks Matt. I have been noticing the group extinction rebellion and I feel very pleased to see its appearance.
I have read I think two of Monbiot's books and ensure I read his Guardian newspaper articles. A weakness that is commonly shared is more focus needed on the effect of maintaining our privilege we fall into from our country of birth. That is the biggest story regarding altruism. Peter Singers book I think titled effective altruism was a powerful read back somewhere in the early 90s.
I went back to read the information that I put together that I agree is crushing with a view to further developing and sharing it but I could not find it. My phone is old and problematic. I wonder if you could cut and paste it here. It sure is tragic. ..hmm its 3am here in Bangkok on another sleepless night.... that it has come to this work I see as imperative. Convincing people that collapse is inevitable.

...and - if its not tangling the thread - this is in reply to Rob' most recent.

I agree, Rob, that altruism which is not grounded in a sense of our own immense privilege - for those of us with present security in stable, affluent societies - is likely to slip into patronising benevolence.

Sometimes, with friends here, we fall into discussing a question like 'How is it that a culture could normalise 'ecocide' to the extent that even when it became clear what was happening, that would still not provide sufficient motivation to stop us doing so?'

We could philosophise until the cows come home, maybe talking about how first monotheism and then instrumentalist science stripped the world of inherent soul, and reduced it to 'natural resources' for human extraction. I think there's truths to be found there, for sure. But I come back to Dharmavydia's 'this is not just about ideas'.

I just gave my daughter a lift home - a few miles. I do it a few times each week. Before that, I cooked the family supper, using gas, and good food from various parts of the country, or world. Then I came here to use this miraculous machine to speak to you, a machine that's made & powered... etc. etc.

None of this willfully extravagent, maybe, but all of it so easy and within reach, and so plentiful. Such huge privelege, its almost impossible to see. Or to step aside from.

When activist friends frame the global situation as the more greedy or deluded among us driving us all into crisis, I can't help but feel they both underestimate and mis-name the beast.

I don't believe ecological crisis is simply a matter of personal excess, nor even simply one of systemic corruption, although goodness knows we humans have a talent for making a bad situation much worse. And I certainly don't see any of this as punishment. I think one might even say that the ice caps are melting, the animals vanishing, because good people are living lives full of meaning, care, and positive intent. Just, a great many of them living those good lives within complex social systems whose energy and resource consumption are leading to a profound ecological unravelling. 

I think one of the things that we can do to help is to speak of this as something that we are all in together. Fatcat CEOs and other such straw dogs provide easy caricature-figures as they seek to shore up advantage over the rest of us, but even that kind of selfishness takes on a certain poignancy, once the nature of the situation becomes clear. Rather like children arguing over the front seat, in a car that has sailed over a cliff edge while they were arguing, and which they have not yet noticed is in freefall. Even fascists need to eat like the rest of us, ultimately.

I'm not sure any of this changes one iota in terms of what matters, and what enobles life. That seems the most interesting and important thing, to me - the thing which might move us from alarmism and despair towards something more affirmative, generous.

Here's the Jem Bendell paper on 'deep adaptation', in case any of you are interested:

https://www.lifeworth.com/deepadaptation.pdf



Mat Osmond said:

Here you go Rob, your previous message cut & pasted, as requested:
I write to the correspondents in this discussion David, Matt and Kaspa. For such a vital discussion I am again rather gobsmacked that there are so few correspondents.
The political situation in Western countries is as you say Kaspa; still rather balanced between a materialist liberalism and a destructive energy thst in many ways approaches fascism. Certainly corporate governance.
But the political situation is no beacon by which to measure our near future. It is a symptom of the great crisis.
I feel a need to briefly state what I know each of you already knows. Science has predicted all the dire ecological outcomes that have come to pass. What science got wrong is the rapidity of the unfolding crisis.
I remember your shock Kaspa when we were alerted to the extrene crashing of the flying insect population. The vertebrate population..excluding humans has crashed sixty percent...or is it seventy percent? The Arctic rapidly approaches ice free summers. Antarctic ice melt has increased I think it is threefold the last decade...I suspect a larger multiple but it is difficult for me to keep track. The oceans are heavily acidified. The atmosphere contains 410 plus parts per million co2. Science has measured that some 3 million years the co2 levels peaked at 375ppm of co2 and the oceans were 25 metres deeper and the temerature several degrees warmer.
But the ipcc resolutely only reports on co2 increases. Methane and increasing levels of water vapour are also powerful greenhouse gases amonst some other 60 plus turning points we have already triggered. The temperature increasing rapidly.
Our political situation diabolically is steadfastly anti ecology...whether liberal or fascist and has always been. Even the so liberal eeu has presided over the ecological collapse. Now corporate governance has staged a coup maintaining growth over ecology...AT THIS TIME.
I provocatively suggest many people fear winning the identity of alarmist. If only...if only ..that was possible.
At what point are our present worldly agendas dropped? The Buddhist world so well placed to prepare for social collapse; to work steadfastly to minimise suffering.
Is the evidence of science not powerful enough yet to begin the sort of networking that may insigate preparation for collapse?

Hi Rob,

Just wrote a long reply, then somehow it got lost! Oh well, will try again tomorrow. Here's yours, cut and pasted as you asked.

Namo Amida Bu

I write to the correspondents in this discussion David, Matt and Kaspa. For such a vital discussion I am again rather gobsmacked that there are so few correspondents.
The political situation in Western countries is as you say Kaspa; still rather balanced between a materialist liberalism and a destructive energy thst in many ways approaches fascism. Certainly corporate governance.
But the political situation is no beacon by which to measure our near future. It is a symptom of the great crisis.
I feel a need to briefly state what I know each of you already knows. Science has predicted all the dire ecological outcomes that have come to pass. What science got wrong is the rapidity of the unfolding crisis.
I remember your shock Kaspa when we were alerted to the extrene crashing of the flying insect population. The vertebrate population..excluding humans has crashed sixty percent...or is it seventy percent? The Arctic rapidly approaches ice free summers. Antarctic ice melt has increased I think it is threefold the last decade...I suspect a larger multiple but it is difficult for me to keep track. The oceans are heavily acidified. The atmosphere contains 410 plus parts per million co2. Science has measured that some 3 million years the co2 levels peaked at 375ppm of co2 and the oceans were 25 metres deeper and the temerature several degrees warmer.
But the ipcc resolutely only reports on co2 increases. Methane and increasing levels of water vapour are also powerful greenhouse gases amonst some other 60 plus turning points we have already triggered. The temperature increasing rapidly.
Our political situation diabolically is steadfastly anti ecology...whether liberal or fascist and has always been. Even the so liberal eeu has presided over the ecological collapse. Now corporate governance has staged a coup maintaining growth over ecology...AT THIS TIME.
I provocatively suggest many people fear winning the identity of alarmist. If only...if only ..that was possible.
At what point are our present worldly agendas dropped? The Buddhist world so well placed to prepare for social collapse; to work steadfastly to minimise suffering.
Is the evidence of science not powerful enough yet to begin the sort of networking that may insigate preparation for collapse?


Robert McCarthy said:

Thanks Matt. I have been noticing the group extinction rebellion and I feel very pleased to see its appearance.
I have read I think two of Monbiot's books and ensure I read his Guardian newspaper articles. A weakness that is commonly shared is more focus needed on the effect of maintaining our privilege we fall into from our country of birth. That is the biggest story regarding altruism. Peter Singers book I think titled effective altruism was a powerful read back somewhere in the early 90s.
I went back to read the information that I put together that I agree is crushing with a view to further developing and sharing it but I could not find it. My phone is old and problematic. I wonder if you could cut and paste it here. It sure is tragic. ..hmm its 3am here in Bangkok on another sleepless night.... that it has come to this work I see as imperative. Convincing people that collapse is inevitable.

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