I am currently at the Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference in Anaheim, California. This conference is organised by the Milton Erickson association, though there seem to be few people here who really practice as Milton Erickson did. It has been interesting for me to see a sample of contemporary psychotherapy practice, though I feel rather disappointed with what I have seen.

The dominant methods showcased here are ones that follow a philosophy of 'the therapist knows best'. This is a product of the pressure on psychotherapy to present itself as 'scientific' and 'evidence based'. There are, for instance, a range of methods that approach the problem by conducting the kind of research that looks for 'the five, seven (or whatever number you like) things characteristically done by successful people, couples or therapists', isolating and defining these 'elements', and then either imitating them or teaching them to clients. If we think we know what successful people do, then surely we can make people be successful by getting them to do these things - isn't that scientific? Well, no, actually it is nonsense.

Let me give you an example. A very well known pair of couple therapists presented their work. They began by telling us that outcome research suggests that therapy in their field gets very poor or insignificant results and they believe that the solution is to make the field more scientific. I was skeptical, thinking that they are probably ineffective because they are already trying too hard to seem scientific. Science, after all, thrives on the study of inanimate, measurable, consistently replicable entities and human beings do not fall into this category. So, the presentation went on to give us a list of the things that successful (i.e. enduring) couples do. On this list was included "kissing passionately". This is obviously an important discovery and we can take it that it must be true because after much careful study science has discovered it - successful couples practice kissing. Who would have guessed? Isn't science wonderful!

Well, now we know what successful couples do we can teach these things to couples who are failing and make them better, can't we? They obviously have not heard of this important scientific finding. There must be any number of dysfunctional couples out there who have never heard about kissing who are just waiting for a knowledgeable expert armed with science to come and enlighten them. Isn't this totally ridiculous? The failing couples all already know perfectly well about kissing. They do not need to be taught. They are not doing it for a reason. However, these approaches do not ask "Why?" they only ask "How?" However, if you take two strangers and induce them to kiss, it is rather unlikely that they will fall in love as a result. Even more unlikely is it that a warring couple can be remedied in such a way.

Other items on the list include various communication skills. It might seem that teaching these might have a slightly greater chance of doing some good, but it is subject to the same logic - or illogicality. What we are talking about here is 'pop psychology' and, of course, you can sometimes get something from it. We all occaisionally buy one of those books that you find on the airport or high street book shop called something like "Seven Secrets of Highly Successful ..." It might be 'people', 'negotiators', 'leaders', whatever, and, once in a while one does find a little gem of advice there - nothing wrong with that - but it is not psychotherapy. Apparently, successful, happy couples communicate in ‘positive’ language five times as often as in negative language. Well, for sure. But this does not work the other way round. Rephrasing what you say to somebody you hate may enable you to escape with your skin, but it will not bring the enmity to an end. Social skills approaches are really relevant to social (i.e. non-intimate) encounters. Thus assertiveness training, for example. The danger in applying them in deeply personal situations is that those relationships are then rendered wooden or mechanical - do it by numbers - and, further, by introducing a large number of rules about how the people should communicate they provide a stack of criteria upon which they can pass judgement on each other or themselves for not getting it perfectly right all the time. The very methods taught easily become ammunition.

These approaches are not psychotherapy. At best they are forms of social skills training, but generally clients who come to therapy are not ignorant of social skills, they have the skills but they are not using them for what seem to them to be good reasons. Therapy needs to penetrate those reasons and understand the motivations behind them, not simply teach people to comply with the ideas of the therapist who always knows best. In fact, therapists do not know best, and when they try to impose such a stereotyped model upon clients they do them a disservice.

I watched several demonstrations by therapists who, although from supposedly different schools, all adhered to this kind of philosophy. I found them all excruciatingly awful to watch. Of the three, one was, in my view, somewhat better than the other two because she did show some empathy for the clients. However, even this one talked about three times as much as the two clients combined as she strove to get the clients to conform to her diagnosis and talk to each other in the way she thought that they should. At one point in the interview, after she had talked non-stop for an extended period she said, "I'm going to stop you now while I explain something," and then went on talking for another inappropriately lengthy period. This is not psychotherapy as I understand the term.

An emergent theme or question that is being asked at the conference is whether psychotherapy has progressed beyond Carl Rogers. As I am the author of the book called Beyond Carl Rogers, I find it particularly interesting that leading people at the conference are asking this. The general view seems to be that the answer is negative. There is "not a scintilla of evidence" that any of the elements isolated by the 'scientific' approaches make the slightest different to outcomes. All psychotherapy modalities get pretty much the same level of good and bad outcomes. Outcome research does not suggest that any technique or protocol is superior.

What outcome research does suggest is that (a) the use of protocols reduces effectiveness, (b) some therapists do get consistently better results than others but this has nothing to do with what school of psychology they belong to, ( c) that about half of therapists actually get worse results than clients who use self-help books, (d) that therapists who get good results are those who manifest precisely the characteristics that Rogers identified - empathy, positive regard and genuineness.

My own impression is that psychotherapy has rather gone backwards since Rogers. A variety of attempts have been made to turn Rogers into a do-it-by-numbers replicable system, all of which fail. Other approaches, mostly related to cognitive behaviourism, adopt the therapist-knows-best philosophy and also fail.The demand for methods that are easy to teach and easy to research seems to have lead to a general dumbing down of practice.

Psychotherapy is not like medical treatment. It is an art and it is deeply personal. It is not a matter of rolling out standardised treatments for identified syndromes. It is not a situation where the therapist can know in advance what is right and best for the client. It should certainly not create situation like those in the demonstrations I have been watching where the client can hardly get a word in edgewise and is supposed just to comply.

These people all mean well and believe they are doing the best they can for clients, but something has gone badly wrong. Therapy is suffering from an overdose of rationalism. The spirit does not thrive in this atmosphere. If the project to make it more scientific were sound, then contemporary therapists should be getting noticeably better results than therapists thirty years ago. They are not and it is not.

It is, therefore, not so surprising that here in America the number of people going to therapists is declining and that a significant number seem to have transferred their allegiance and now prefer to go and see a psychic healer. Healers often show greater empathy and seem to get better results. It is all rather disappointing and I think that much of the blame for this decline has to be laid at the feet of the craze for 'scientific validation' and an 'evidence base'.

I am not opposed to real science. Carl Rogers himself based his work on extensive detailed research. But a great distortion has been introduced and much of the supposed 'science' lacks rigour, is biassed, is not independent, and often, as illustrated above, is wrongly conceived.

Views: 134

Replies to This Discussion

How interesting. And concerning - thinking of clients who put their faith in their therapist's expertise. I'd find some of it amusing except that these are real people's lives and it doesn't sound as though they are being aided. 

Couldnt agree more David

In Australia this evidence-based nonsense is driven by the Clinical Psychologists and their 'physics envy'

Thank You dear David! I m just posting this thoughts right now, maybe nonsens, maybe a little bit true...

You have very well observed what is going on! It seems that there is a tremendous need for another kind of psychotherapy - practiced with more empathy and humility,  and nevertheless with another kind of scientific plea. It has been always difficult to document accuratly, scientifically, processes referring to the mind — It is often ending in a fragmentary view because the mind can‘t be analysed rationnaly by himself in totallity. What i have observed in the processes with my Clients is often ...wondering about irrational twists, unexpected developping of solutions and ressources. I am just beautifully amazed about this. The mind is not only rational - that‘ s nothing new. But It seems that we are facing a strong need of control because of the emmerging of strong fear everywhere. Dogma, ( sometimes silly) concepts, distorted „ scientific“, more rational approaches in such fields like psychotherapy could be a response to this existential fear. I

I think we would need to stare  at the Moon and the stars for longer, in order to remember that we could never understand and control everything we experience.But sometimes, when we stop trying and we stay there, like "drops of dew," at some level we merged with the whole firmament.

I believe that therapy is a sort of mystery because every human being is a mistery  to a certain degree and ,therefore, relationships are also like that. I am remembering some of the  the qualities of the original mindfulness mentioned by Dharmavidya ...If we could stop and contemplate, in order to be awed and then being able to  reflect cleanly an unique and unrepeatable reality. Then we can be there with the whole heart. I think this is what heals, so this would be psychotherapy.

This is difficult to measure, as it is also difficult for bombu beings like us leaving our little holds and flow with experience being opened to mystery.

Thank you for sharing Dharmavidya


Thank you Sujatin, Gayre, Francoise and Nati. Nice observations. "Lies, damned lies and statistics" - many of the presenters at this conference are able to muster vast amounts of data. They can put up charts showing the accumulated results of thousands and thousands of studies. However, as Scott Miller showed in a presentation, this has not resulted in any improvement in psychotherapy performance. Research yields interesting, though usually questionable, conclusions, but it does not produce wisdom, artistry or empathy and It seems to me that these latter are more relevant. Another finding that is somewhat disturbing is that psychotherapists apparently, on average, get poorer and poorer results the longer they have been in practice. In America and many other Western countries, therapists are required to engage in continuing education to keep their skills honed and to update their knowledge; but, it seems, there is no evidence that attending such continuing training actually makes them any better at the job. I think that one of the biggest factors in how therapists in general operate has to be the culture of the profession. You don't need a heap of figures to draw this conclusion - it is fairly obvious. The culture has changed and is continuing to change in the direction of so-called 'evidence based practice', but the paradox is that I see no evidence that evidenced based practice is resulting in any improvement. Up-dating into the contemporary culture may not be such a good idea. I observed a long time ago that the mentality needed to do research is quite different from that needed to do good therapy, but real therapeutic acumen seems to be something that is being drowned out by the rising noise demanding statistics to satisfy the insurance companies.

Very interesting! I read something similar about primary school teachers in North America. There was a study done to find out what made a ‘good teacher’. A group of schools were chosen and they approached it from very specific angles. One was to find out from the teachers if they thought they were a good teacher and what made them good teachers, and then they asked the children who they thought was the best teacher and why. And then they interviewed the teachers who were chosen as the best teacher and asked them what they were doing and if they could explain what made them a good teacher. And the outcome was that those with the most years experience in a classroom were some of the worst teachers and those who were chosen by the students to be the best teachers ranged in their years of teaching experience, so it did not matter how long they had been teaching for, and when they were asked why, and what did they do that made them stand out, they couldn’t answer the question without it sounding flaky and based on something too general to pinpoint. But they had one thing in common: they all said that they loved bringing the best out of their children. 

I've had the experience for most of my career that an empathic, 'real' therapist is a rare thing... lots of people doing okay, a few people doing real harm, and a few people who approach it as an art and have a huge impact on their clients... a shame you seem to think it's got worse... I wonder if conferences of this sort attract more of the variety you describe? Namo Amida Bu. 

Thanks, Satya - I don't know. I am inclined to attribute it to the culture that has developed. Here in the USA it is the insurance companies that call the tune and they want numbers not artistry.

And thank you, Susthama - Yes, very interesting.

Yes maybe you're right... let's hope there are pockets of therapists already planning a revolution! Glad you enjoyed the Zeig workshop. Namo Amida Bu!

Thank you Dharmavidya. 

What you are describing is happening in medicine and at a much quicker pace than psychotherapy and it is downright scary. 'Evidence' will never be able to capture that which moves the heart in mysterious ways and gives meaning to life.  Lead me instead to art, poetry and music to connect and transcend.

Alarming for all those people nowadays who go to therapists for depressions, burnouts, etc etc..... who really expect to get real help...

How do we know in advance if the therapist we send people to, shall be a good - compassionate - one ?

I'm talking as a social worker

Namo Amida Bu


ITZI Conference 2017

Blog Posts


Posted by Susthama Kim on January 7, 2018 at 22:30 0 Comments

As far as my life goes, it is pretty boring; nothing too exciting or too adventurous. We had a ‘minor scare’ over Christmas, however, but it turned out to be nothing but a change in hormones. Had it come to fruition it would have meant another three years of my life doing nothing but the same thing that I have been doing for the past six years, and boy oh boy, I am so relieved that it was just a scare. You can never be too careful, and at the same time you can’t even plan the perfect time to…



Posted by David Brazier on January 7, 2018 at 16:00 2 Comments

I am currently in Milan - a fine city. This is the commercial hub of Italy, home of many big names and innumerable small enterprises that attract shoppers from all over the world. There is quite a strong sense of energy here. The biggest tourist attractions are La Scala and the Cathedral.

I have rented a…


Johnny Halliday: la mort d'un monstre sacré

Posted by Tamuly Annette on December 18, 2017 at 21:45 1 Comment

L'engouement quasi mystique qu'a suscité la mort de Johnny Hallyday m'a incité à réfléchir sue un phénomène qui m'est apparu comme un substitut de religiosité...

Un monstre sacré

La mort de Johnny Halliday et ses obsèques le 8 décembre 2017

Il y a eu comme une sorte de fièvre médiatique lors de la mort – pourtant attendue – de notre chanteur national Johnny Halliday (Jean-Philippe Smet). Il venait de décéder un jour, après Jean d’Ormesson, et le dernier événement a en…



Posted by David Brazier on December 6, 2017 at 10:08 1 Comment

Johnny Hallyday died just after midnight this morning.

A vous autres, hommes faibles et merveilleux

Qui mettez tant de grâce a vous retirer du jeu

Il faut qu'une main posée sur votre épaule

Vous pousse vers la vie, cette main tendre et légère

On a tous quelque chose en nous de Tennessee

Cette volonté de prolonger la nuit

Ce désir fou de vivre une autre vie

Ce rêve en nous avec ses mots à lui

Quelque chose de Tennessee

Cette force qui nous…


© 2018   Created by David Brazier.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service